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section of the forum is dedicated to discussions addressing injectable fillers including Restylane, Perlane, Juvederm, Radiesse, Sculptra, Silicone, Artefill, or other office-based injectable filler, except for the management of acne scarring (See Acne/Acne Scarring Forum).
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Postby Elvis » Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:47 pm

Dr. Lam,

I had 1 syringe of juvederm injected in my left side of my face in the upper cheek area below the tear trough area. I had this done not very long ago, less then a few weeks to be exact. For the first two weeks the area had volume and felt lifted, but now i notice I am completely like I was before. I can no longer even feel the product. Did it dissolve already. Is there something that can be more useful in that area. Do people need more then 1 syringe of product usually in the cheeks. I just feel like it lasted so short. Fat grafting I can't get right now, I wish.

Any recommendations???
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Postby dr. lam » Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:29 pm

did you have ultra or ultra plus? ultra plus for juvederm should hold longer. perlane ditto. i would wait on radiesse if at all possible because that will screw up fat grafting for a while. radiesse is also not a panacea. it is bad for the eyes and can last a short time too in some people. most likely if it only lasted 2 to 3 weeks the problem was not it dissolving but the swelling finally going away and you like the way that looked before. that is fat grafting. it would most likely be prohibitive in cost to get a full fat grafted look with only fillers. plus most people have no idea how to make that look smoothe.
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Postby Elvis » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:26 pm

Thank you for your remarks. It was just juvederm ultra. I guess it could have been swelling. The swelling did result in a nice full effect which lasted about a week. I also did massage the area for a bit to help spread it out, I don't know if I thinned/broke down too much of it if that is possible too.

Having little volume in my cheeks, I REALLY appreciated that extra volume there, but now, it is just flat again. I wonder if I need more product elsewhere in my face.

Flat grafting sounds nice and I would love to have it, but maybe some day. I think I will try perlane, but I am scared of the lumps I hear form sometimes. My skin in the cheeks is thicker so maybe might be more tolerable then the eye area for me.
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Postby dr. lam » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:44 pm

if i can't help you, i wish you the best in finding someone who can.
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Postby shanda » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:35 pm

Dr. Lam,

I had perlane in my cheeks. I have restylane left over that was for my tear trough. Is it okay to put restylane in the cheek area (since I have some left over from my tear troughs) if I have perlane in my cheek already. So essentially, can perlane and restylane be mixed?
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Postby dr. lam » Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:06 pm

No, be careful! No, just kidding. It is totally safe. The only thing I would do is make sure you put the same amount of restylane in both sides since restylane and perlane dissipate at different rates so you don't want a bigger cheek on one side than the other as the product fades.
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Postby shanda » Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:40 pm

can too much restylane under the eye like 1 syringe in each tear trough be bad. I heard bags could form after it dissolves. It is like when you lose weight and then all the lose skin is left, is that sordive the same with the eyes. if you have never seen that happen, do you think logically that could happen?
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Postby dr. lam » Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:21 pm

is it theoretically possible? yes. is it logically feasible? no. Have I ever seen it in a thousand syringes of Restylane that I have done in the past 6 months or so? no. Should you worry about it? Obviously, I can't tell you, but I simply have a hard time believing that it could be possible.

Interestingly, I would almost promise you that the person who is now all of a sudden noticing bags afterward only notices them because after a paid procedure that individual is staring at the mirror too closely. i can't remember how many times someone comes in and says, "I think I look more uneven now", and I have no idea what that person is talking about because they look totally fine. Then I show their before and afters and I see that they were totally lopsided before (which they never noticed) but now are within 97% corrected but they notice the impossible 3% to correct that is left. I know how patients perceive themselves. That is why I take rigorously anal before and after photos and before I hear a complaint I show the person the before and after differences so that they can see the benefit.

Okay, enough about perception. Bottom line is that I think you will be fine.
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Postby shanda » Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:15 pm

Dr. Lam,

I am really curious about cheek implants. I don't want them or anything, but I have seen women with them and I can tell most have them, I have just been VERY curious for a long time about them.

1, why do women want cheek implants, are they permenante or something? And is getting cheek implants considered 'plastic surgery'? Also, how much do cheek implants typically cost?

2. I imagine there is tons of bleeding if they have to put them through the mouth.

3.what if women want them removed, is it possible to take it out.

Thanks Dr. Lam
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Postby dr. lam » Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:24 pm

1, why do women want cheek implants, are they permenante or something? And is getting cheek implants considered 'plastic surgery'? Also, how much do cheek implants typically cost?
WOMEN THINK THEY WANT CHEEK IMPLANTS BECAUSE THEY "ADMIRE THOSE NICE CHEEK BONES" ON OTHER WOMEN. WHAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY ADMIRING IS THE CHEEK PAD (I.E., THE FAT COVERING THE BONE). WHEN YOU SEE A CHEEK BONE STICKING OUT IT LOOKS LIKE AN OLD WOMAN. THEN YOU THROW ANOTHER CHEEK IMPLANT OVER THIS EXPOSED BONE AND WHAMMY YOU HAVE TOTAL UGLINESS. THE HOLLOW ANTERIOR CHEEK LOOKS WORSE AND EVERYTHING IS OFF BALANCE. THE OTHER REASON WOMEN HAVE CHEEK IMPLANTS IS THAT THE PLASTIC SURGEON TALKS THEM INTO "VOLUME" TO RESTORE THE LOST VOLUME OF THE FACE. TOTALLY TOTALLY WRONG WAY TO DO IT. AS YOU KNOW, PLEASE WATCH MY VIDEO LOG "CHEEKS: THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY" FOR MY DETAILED OPINION ON THIS SUBJECT.

YES, IT IS PLASTIC SURGERY. COSTS VARIES DEPENDS ON WHO IS DOING IT. TYPICALLY BETWEEN 2500 TO 4500. IF THEY ARE SILICONE, THEY ARE EASILY REMOVED. IF THEY ARE GORE-TEX ,THEY TAKE A LITTLE MORE WORK BUT THEY CAN BE REMOVED. MED-POR, PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. TOTAL NIGHTMARE OF A PRODUCT ANYWAY: PROBLEMS WITH INFECTION AND VERY DIFFICULT TO REVERSE. FORTUNATELY MOST SURGEONS DO NOT USE MED-POR. IN MOST CASES, IMPLANTS ARE REVERSIBLE. THAT STILL REQUIRES A SURGERY. I TAKE MORE OUT THAN I PUT IN.

2. I imagine there is tons of bleeding if they have to put them through the mouth.
ACTUALLY, THERE IS VERY VERY LITTLE FOR THREE REASONS. FIRST, I USE LOCAL ANESTHETIC WITH EPINEPHRINE THAT CAUSES VASOCONSTRICTION (THAT IS THE BLOOD VESSELS ARE TEMPORARILY CLOSED DOWN). SECOND, I USE A CAUTERY DEVICE TO ENTER THE MUCOSA SO AGAIN EVEN LESS BLEEDING. THIRD, ALL DISSECTION IS UNDERTAKEN IN A SUBPERIOSTEAL PLANE (BELOW THE LINING OF THE BONE) SO NO BLEEDING THERE.

3.what if women want them removed, is it possible to take it out.
YES, IN MOST CASES. SEE ANSWER 1.
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